'I don't know if you've seen anybody be killed, but it's upsetting': What EMT who witnessed George Floyd's death snapped to defense attorney during cross-examination - forcing judge to REPRIMAND her
- Genevieve Hansen, 27, testified on the second day of Derek Chauvin's murder trial on Tuesday
- She wiped away tears as she recalled how she had identified herself as a first responder and begged to help George Floyd when she believed he was dying outside the Cup Foods store in Minneapolis on May 25, 2020
- Soon after Hansen's demeanor changed as she was cross examined by Chauvin's attorney Eric Nelson
- Nelson asked if she would describe bystanders at the scene of Floyd's arrest as upset or angry
- Hansen replied: 'I don't know if you've seen anybody be killed, but it's upsetting'
- Judge Peter Cahill stepped in and cautioned Hansen for being argumentative
- Minutes later Cahill sent the jury out for the day and admonished Hansen, telling her: 'You will not argue with the court, you will not argue with counsel'An off-duty Minneapolis firefighter and paramedic was admonished by the judge while testifying at Derek Chauvin's murder trial today after she repeatedly interrupted and talked back to the defense attorney during cross examination.
Genevieve Hansen, 27, wiped away tears in court on Tuesday as she recalled how she had identified herself as a first responder and begged to help George Floyd when she believed he was dying outside the Cup Foods store in Minneapolis on May 25, 2020.
But soon after Hansen's demeanor changed as she was cross examined by Chauvin's attorney Eric Nelson, who asked if she would describe bystanders at the scene of Floyd's arrest as upset or angry. Hansen replied: 'I don't know if you've seen anybody be killed, but it's upsetting.'At this point Judge Peter Cahill stepped in and cautioned Hansen for being argumentative, instructing her to 'just answer his questions'.
During the questioning Hansen refused to believe Nelson when he said medics had been called five minutes before she arrived on the scene and got frustrated when he pointed out that she called officer Tou Thao a b***h and as he quizzed her on her ability to do her job as an EMT.
As tensions continued to mount Cahill sent the jury out for the day, shutting down proceedings while instructing the witness and counsel to remain.
In an extraordinary dressing down the judge turned to an increasingly combative Hansen and told her in no uncertain terms: 'I'm advising you do not argue with counsel and specifically do not argue with the court.
'You will not argue with the court, you will not argue with counsel. Answer the questions, do not volunteer information that is not requested. Are we clear on this?'
He then instructed Hansen to come back tomorrow at 9.30am.
Genevieve Hansen, an off-duty Minneapolis firefighter and paramedic, was admonished by Judge Peter Cahill while testifying at Derek Chauvin's murder trial on Tuesday after she repeatedly interrupted and talked back to the defense attorney
Hansen testified at Chauvin's murder trial on Tuesday about how her desperate pleas to be allowed to provide George Floyd with life-saving medical assistance were ignored by the officers who pinned him down and blocked by officer Tou Thao
Bystander video showed Hansen (left and right) pleading with the officers to allow her to help Floyd. Her calls fell on deaf ears as Chauvin remained unmoved and Officer Thao told her to remain on the curb, at one point saying: 'If you really are a Minneapolis firefighter you would know better than to get involved'
As testimony began on Tuesday Chauvin (right) looked on, smartly dressed in dark blue suit, grey shirt and tieUnder questioning by Assistant Attorney General Matthew Frank, Hansen had explained how her desperate pleas to be allowed to provide Floyd with life-saving medical assistance were ignored by the officers who pinned him down and blocked by officer Thao.
'I tried calm and reasoning, I pleaded and was desperate. I was desperate to help,' Hansen said.
Her calls fell on deaf ears as Chauvin remained unmoved and Officer Thao told her to remain on the curb, at one point saying: 'If you really are a Minneapolis firefighter you would know better than to get involved.'
In court Hansen said: 'That's exactly what I should have done. There was no medical assistance on the scene and I could have given [it].'
She told the court how she had observed the three officers on top of Floyd and known in an instant it wasn't right.
'The officers were leaning over his body with what appeared to be the majority of their weight on him,' she said. 'He wasn't moving, he was cuffed and three grown men putting all their weight on somebody – that's too much.'
She said that while Floyd lay unresponsive beneath his knee Chauvin appeared entirely 'comfortable', telling Frank: 'Chauvin seemed very comfortable with the majority of his weight balanced on top of Mr Floyd's neck. In my memory he had his hand in his pocket.
'He was comfortable, he wasn't distributing the weight on the car, on the pavement.'Hansen, who is a qualified EMT with state and national licenses, said that she had assessed that Floyd had a 'altered level of consciousness,' that concerned her greatly.
She said that his face was 'smooshed' into the pavement and said: 'I was really concerned. I thought his face looked puffy and swollen which would happen if you were putting a grown man's weight [on him].
'I noticed some fluid coming from what looked like George Floyd's body and a lot of time we see a patient release their bladder when they die - that's where my mind went.
'He wasn't moving. He was restrained but he wasn't moving.'
Hansen said she recognized that Floyd was unconscious because he was not responding to the 'painful stimulae' of Chauvin's knee on his neck.
'What I needed to know was whether or not he had a pulse anymore,' she said.
But she said she was not permitted access to the scene and the officers ignored her offers to talk them through CPR.
She said she felt 'helpless.' 'There's a man being killed,' she said, 'and had I had access I would have [helped].
'This human was denied that right.'
Before she took the stand jury saw video she had recorded on the scene and heard audio of the 911 call she placed immediately after.
Her voice trembling with shock and emotion she could be heard telling the operator: 'I literally just watched police officers not take a pulse and not to do anything to save a man and I am a first responder myself and I literally have it on video.'
Trial attorney Jerry Blackwell promised that the jury would hear from witnesses who had 'called the police on the police', in his opening statements Monday.
Hansen is the third witness called by the state who did just that; the first was 911 dispatcher Jena Scurry and the second Donald Williams.
In an uncomfortable cross-examination, Hansen became visibly frustrated with Nelson's line of questioning and refused to be drawn into an admission that she would be distracted from her job if a threatening crowd were gathered telling her she was 'doing it wrong'.
Time after time Nelson attempted to get an admission out of her until she said: 'I think a burning structure where there are buildings and homes and people living on either side is much more concerning than 20 people.
'I'll repeat myself, I know my job, I'm confident in doing my job and there's nothing anybody can do to disturb me.'
She also refused point blank to believe Nelson when he told her that medics had been called five minutes before she arrived on the scene, saying that a fire rig would have already arrived if that were true.
Nelson told her, 'You arrived at 8.26.29. The medics were called at 8.21 – code 3.'
She snapped back: 'I don't believe that.'
In an uncomfortable cross-examination, Hansen became visibly frustrated with the line of questioning from defense attorney Eric Nelson (left). At one point Hansen told Nelson: 'I don't know if you've seen anybody be killed, but it's upsetting'
As Nelson's cross examination continued, Hansen became less and less tolerant of his questioning. When he asked if she had grown angry, she said she had been 'desperate' before admitting: 'I got quite angry after Mr Floyd was loaded into the ambulance and there was no point in trying to reason with them anymore because they had just killed somebody.'
In response to Nelson’s observations that she had called Officer Thao 'a b***h,' that she had become angry and that the crowd had grown more vocal and threatening as the incident progressed, she said: 'I don't know if you've ever seen anybody get killed. It's quite upsetting.'
That's when Judge Cahill moved to dismiss the jury before scolding Hansen and telling her to come back to finish her testimony on Wednesday.
Genevieve Hansen is driven away from court in a City of Minneapolis Fire Department vehicle after her dressing down from the judge on Tuesday. She will return to court on Wednesday
In yet another surprising end-of-day turn, Cahill called in a woman whose phone had been confiscated after she was caught taking photos on the 18th floor of the courthouse, where the trial was taking place.
The woman identified herself as Rachel Jackson and said she is the media representative for witness Darnella Frazier.
She apologized profusely for taking photos and insisted that she didn't know she was doing anything wrong.
Cahill told her: 'You must delete the picture' before handing the phone back and adjourning for the day. Earlier on Tuesday the court heard from nine-year-old witness Judea, who described how she and her cousin Darnella Frazier, who testified earlier, had gone to Cup Foods for snacks when they found Floyd pinned to the ground by Chauvin and two other police officers.
Judea recalled how Chauvin didn't move even after paramedics arrived and 'asked him nicely to get off of him'.
'He [Chauvin] still stayed on him [Floyd],' Judea said. She said the medics eventually 'just had to put him off, get him off of him.'
Gently questioned by Blackwell about how she felt as she saw these events, Judea said: 'I was sad and kind of mad. If felt like he was stopping his breathing and kind of hurting him.'
Judea's cousin Darnella, who was 17 years old when she recorded the most famous viral video of the ordeal last spring, took the stand on Tuesday morning and told how she felt helpless as she watched Floyd lose consciousness.
'There's been nights I've stayed up apologizing to George Floyd for not doing more and not physically interacting, not saving his life,' Darnella said.
'But it's not what I should have done - it's what he [Chauvin] should have done.'
Judea, a nine-year-old witness to George Floyd's death, gave gut-wrenching testimony on Tuesday about how Derek Chauvin refused to remove his knee from the handcuffed black man's neck until paramedics told him to. Judea is pictured second from the right in a green shirt in video from Floyd's fatal confrontation with police that was shown in court
Judea described how she and her cousin Darnella Frazier, who testified earlier, had gone to Cup Foods for snacks on May 25, 2020, when they found Floyd pinned to the ground by Chauvin and two other police officers
Another witness on Tuesday named Alyssa, who is 18 now but was 17 at the time of Floyd's death, echoed Darnella's account, telling the court: 'I felt like there wasn't really anything I could do as a bystander. The highest power was there, and I felt like I was failing [Floyd].'
The prosecution played video Alyssa had filmed after she and her friend arrived at Cup Foods to pick up an auxiliary cord for her phone, in which Floyd was heard crying out that he couldn't breathe while bystanders yelled for Chauvin and the other officers to get off him.
Recalling what she saw of Floyd as he lay pinned beneath Chauvin's knee, his lower body held down by officers Thomas Lane and J Alexander Keung, Alyssa said: 'He was struggling with his ability to breathe. He was focused on trying to breathe.
'At first he was vocal but he got less vocal and you could tell, he was talking with smaller and smaller breathes and he’d spit a little and he'd try to move his head a little because he was uncomfortable.
'I knew that if he were to be held down much longer he wouldn't live.'
Darnella (pictured) has spoken publicly about her now infamous recording on May 25, 2020 but the cameras were not permitted to film her and she was referred to only by her first name in court
Both Darnella and Alyssa - neither of whom were shown on camera in court because they were minors at the time of Floyd's death - testified that they started filming because they felt that what they were seeing 'wasn't right'.
Darnella asserted that Chauvin pressed his knee into Floyd's neck even harder as the growing crowd begged him to stop - and that he didn't remove his knee even when paramedics were searching for a pulse.
Under questioning by Blackwell, Darnella said: 'I heard George Floyd saying: "I can't breathe, please get off of me." He cried for his mom and he was in pain.
'It seemed like he knew it was over for him. He was terrified, he was suffering. This was a cry for help.'
When an ambulance finally arrived, Darnella claimed that paramedics treating Floyd had to tell Chauvin to remove his knee from the unconscious man's neck.
'The ambulance person had to actually tell him to lift up. He checked his pulse first while Chauvin's knee still remained on Floyd's neck,' she said. 'The paramedic did a "get up" motion, basically telling him to remove his knee.'
Darnella has spoken publicly about her now infamous recording on May 25, 2020 but the cameras were not permitted to film her and she was referred to only by her first name in court.
She was with her younger cousin, who also testified and whom she was taking to Cup Food for candy and snacks that day. She told the court that she made sure her cousin went into the store because she didn't want her to see what was going on.
According to Darnella, Chauvin did not respond to the crowd of a dozen or so people who had gathered.
'He just stared at us. He had like this cold look, heartless. It seemed as if he didn't care. It didn't change anything that he was doing,' she said.
She said that she felt 'threatened' by both Chauvin and fellow officer Tou Thao who she said 'were quick to put their hands on their mace' when a woman who identified herself as a fire fighter asked Chauvin to check for a pulse and she and Darnella made to move towards Floyd where he lay.
'Officer Thao and Chauvin, he put his hand on his mace, they put their hands on their mace. I can't remember if they actually pointed it at us,' Darnella said.
Asked if, at any point, Chauvin had 'got up or let up' she said: 'If anything he actually was kneeling harder. It looked like he was shoving his knee in his neck.'
Darnella, who turned 18 a few days ago, was clearly emotional and could be heard crying. She struggled to speak when asked to identify Chauvin in a picture taken from that day.
At the close of her testimony Darnella broke down as she told jurors how witnessing and filming Floyd's death affected her life.
'When I look at George Floyd I look at my dad, I look my brothers, I look at my cousins, my uncles because they are all black,' she said. 'I have a black father, black brother, black friends and I look at that and I think how that could have been them.'
![Another witness on Tuesday named Alyssa, who is 18 now but was 17 at the time of Floyd's death, echoed Darnella's account, telling the court: 'I felt like there wasn't really anything I could do as a bystander. The highest power was there, and I felt like I was failing [Floyd].' Alyssa is circled above in red in video shown in court](https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/03/31/10/41141354-9420365-Another_witness_on_Tuesday_named_Alyssa_who_is_18_now_but_was_17-a-6_1617182415104.jpg)
Another witness on Tuesday named Alyssa, who is 18 now but was 17 at the time of Floyd's death, echoed Darnella's account, telling the court: 'I felt like there wasn't really anything I could do as a bystander. The highest power was there, and I felt like I was failing [Floyd].' Alyssa is circled above in red in video shown in court
The prosecution's fourth witness of the day was Alyssa, who told prosecutor Erin Eldridge how she had walked towards the incident and started recording on her friend's cell phone because she too just knew that 'something was wrong'.
After describing what she saw of Floyd, Alyssa had to stop and recover her composure before she could continue with the clearly distressing testimony. 'It's difficult [to talk about] because I felt like there wasn't anything I could do…and I felt like I was failing him, failing to do anything,' she said through tears.
As with Darnella and her little cousin who testified this morning, Alyssa said that Chauvin did not move his knee even on the arrival of paramedics and in fact she saw him put more weight on Floyd's neck as the minutes ticked by.
'He [Chauvin] didn't really take his eyes off him [Floyd] for the most part. At one point I saw him put more and more weight onto him. I saw his back foot lift off the ground and his hands go in his pocket.'
Seeming to echo the movement that an earlier witness, Donald Williams, had described as a 'shimmy', she said: 'I saw him move his knee down more, make little movements.'
The prosecution played the video recorded by Alyssa that day, showing yet again the horror of the event and the small group of onlookers yelling for Floyd's pulse to be checked and painted by the defense as an angry mob.
Alyssa could be heard in clear distress shouting: 'He's not moving. Check his pulse. Tell me his pulse right now. It's been over a minute [since he moved].'
Recalling that day she said simply: 'I knew that time was running out. He was going to die.'
Finally she said, there came a point when 'I kind of knew that he was dead and not breathing, no longer fighting, no longer resisting.'Alyssa said that she had was so traumatized by the events that she hasn't returned to Cup Foods since.
'I almost walked away at first because it was a lot to watch but I couldn’t just walk away even though I couldn’t do anything about it,' she said. 'It didn't really affect me right away. I felt emotionally numb, I didn't go to the internet, I tried to go on with my day. [But] I haven't been back to Cup Foods to this day.'
In a brief cross examination Alyssa admitted that she had told investigating officers that she had seen the other officers (Lane or Keung) checking Floyd's handcuffed wrist for a pulse 'multiple times'. But she added: 'Afterwards I told them it looked like they did not find one.'
Alyssa's friend, 17-year-old Kaylynn, was the last minor to testify. Her recollections aligned with those of earlier witnesses.
She said that it was the police officers who were 'hostile' not the crowd recalling how Chauvin was 'digging his knee into George Floyd's neck' and 'grabbed his mace and started shaking it at us' when onlookers shouted at him to check for a pulse.
'I was scared because I didn’t know what was going to happen,' she said. Asked directly what she was scared of, she replied: 'I was scared of Chauvin.'
Chauvin's attorney Nelson did not cross examine the final teen.
The first witness to deliver testimony on Tuesday was mixed martial arts fighter Donald Winn Williams II, who told the court that he called 911 about Chauvin kneeling on Floyd's neck because he believed he 'witnessed a murder'.
Williams was heard in Darnella's video yelling at Chauvin to check for a pulse and accused him of placing Floyd in what he called a 'kill choke'. He resumed his testimony on Tuesday morning after it was cut short on Monday.
Under questioning from Frank, Williams described how Chauvin continued to press his knee into Floyd's neck as paramedics struggled to find a pulse.
He revealed that he called the police in the aftermath of the scene that he described in horrific detail because he said: 'I believed I had just witnessed a murder. I felt the need to call the police on the police.'
Williams began to cry as jurors were played audio of the 911 call he placed as he stood outside Cup Foods, in which he named officer 987 and said: 'He just pretty much killed this guy. He wasn't resisting arrest. He had his knee on his neck. He wasn't resisting arrest or nothing, he was handcuffed.'
Testifying at Derek Chauvin's trial on Tuesday, Donald Winn Williams II (pictured) said he called 911 about the cop kneeling on George Floyd's neck because he believed he 'witnessed a murder'At the start of the call Williams named officer 987 as 'the one that murdered him'.
Asked to identify who that officer was Williams pointed to where Chauvin sat in court.
Williams could be heard shouting at Officer Thao: 'Y'all murderers man, y'all murderers' before the call ended.
Earlier Williams told how Thao put his hands on his chest and pushed him back to the curb as he watched Floyd in 'tremendous pain…his eyes rolling back, his mouth open, drooling, trying to gasp for air and trying to breathe as he's down there and move his face from side to side I'm assuming gasping for air.'
According to Williams the crowd that had gathered was not threatening the officers and his calls to check for a pulse were echoed by an off duty fire fighter whose pleas to the officers also went unheard.
On cross-examination, Chauvin's attorney Nelson attempted to undercut William's presentation of himself as a controlled and professional observer of events who remained schooled by his training and experience in sports and security.
Surveillance videos showed Williams walking up to the Cup Foods store at the time of Floyd's arrest
Nelson appeared to be trying to provoke Williams into a display of anger as he repeatedly tried to discredit his claims to having remained calm.
'You started calling [Chauvin] names didn't you?' Nelson asked. 'You called him, "a tough guy." You called him "such a man," "bogus." You called him a "bum" 13 times. You called him a "bitch."'
But while Williams agreed to all of these assertions he would not be persuaded to agree to Nelson's characterization of him as "angry" or threatening.
Asked if he had told Officer Thao that he hoped he would shoot himself he said: 'No..I said you will shoot yourself in two years because of what you did.'
Nelson also tried to cast doubt on just how much Williams really understood what he was seeing just as he did with 911 dispatcher Jena Scurry.
Nelson pointed out that Williams had no idea that the officers had been dealing with Floyd for 15 minutes before he arrived or that an ambulance had been called, and stepped up in urgency, just three minutes before he came upon the scene.
In an at times testy to and fro Nelson quizzed Williams about whether it was possible for a person to lose consciousness in a choke hold then come round and start fighting again.
Ultimately Williams agreed that this was possible but when questioned once more in the prosecution's re-direct he told the jury that when a fighter loses consciousness in an MMA fight the fight is stopped, 'right away' and medical attention given, 'right away'.
And when asked directly if his anxiety to have his voice heard was because he was 'concerned about Mr Floyd losing his life', Williams said: 'Correct.'
And just before he was excused, when asked if an MMA fight ends when a person 'taps out' – communicating with their opponent that 'that's enough' – Williams was equally clear as he agreed and said: 'That's the rules of the fight.'
During Monday's testimony, Williams had said he witnessed Chauvin 'shimmying', or adjusting his position on Floyd's neck in a recognized martial art maneuver designed to double-down on and tighten a choke hold.
He told how he watched Chauvin squeeze the life out of Floyd and said that when he called him out for using a blood choke the former officer looked him straight in the eye and did not stop.
'The officer on top was shimmying to actually get the final choke in while he was on top, the kill choke,' Williams told Frank during direct examination on Monday.
Williams said that he had watched Floyd 'fade away like a fish in a bag'.
He said: 'You see his eyes slowly pale out and he knew...he vocalized it, his eyes rolled to the back of his head, you saw the blood coming out of his nose, he said his stomach hurt and from then on he was lifeless. He didn't speak.'
Based on his experience Williams said that what he witnessed was a 'kill choke', cutting off Floyd's circulation at his neck. He said that when he had called Chauvin out for using the technique the former officer and he, 'looked at each other right in the eyes and he acknowledged it.'
Williams strayed into contentious territory when he gave the opinion that Chauvin was killing Floyd by 'shimmying' or adjusting his position on the dying man's neck.
Judge Cahill checked Williams for coming to a conclusion by saying that he was 'killing' Floyd by employing the well-known technique that saw him double down and tighten his choke hold.
Frank played portions of the video of Chauvin as he pressed his knee into Floyd's neck and Williams pointed out each time he saw the former officer's foot move and, he said, the pressure on Floyd increased.
Recalling the scene, Williams had harsh words for officer Thao, who he described as 'the dictator'.
He said: 'He dictated what went on on the curb, he controlled the crowd, he controlled me. He was the guy who let it go on while it went on.' At the start of the call Williams named officer 987 as 'the one that murdered him'.
Asked to identify who that officer was Williams pointed to where Chauvin sat in court.
Williams could be heard shouting at Officer Thao: 'Y'all murderers man, y'all murderers' before the call ended.
Earlier Williams told how Thao put his hands on his chest and pushed him back to the curb as he watched Floyd in 'tremendous pain…his eyes rolling back, his mouth open, drooling, trying to gasp for air and trying to breathe as he's down there and move his face from side to side I'm assuming gasping for air.'
According to Williams the crowd that had gathered was not threatening the officers and his calls to check for a pulse were echoed by an off duty fire fighter whose pleas to the officers also went unheard.
On cross-examination, Chauvin's attorney Nelson attempted to undercut William's presentation of himself as a controlled and professional observer of events who remained schooled by his training and experience in sports and security.
Surveillance videos showed Williams walking up to the Cup Foods store at the time of Floyd's arrest
Nelson appeared to be trying to provoke Williams into a display of anger as he repeatedly tried to discredit his claims to having remained calm.
'You started calling [Chauvin] names didn't you?' Nelson asked. 'You called him, "a tough guy." You called him "such a man," "bogus." You called him a "bum" 13 times. You called him a "bitch."'
But while Williams agreed to all of these assertions he would not be persuaded to agree to Nelson's characterization of him as "angry" or threatening.
Asked if he had told Officer Thao that he hoped he would shoot himself he said: 'No..I said you will shoot yourself in two years because of what you did.'
Nelson also tried to cast doubt on just how much Williams really understood what he was seeing just as he did with 911 dispatcher Jena Scurry.
Nelson pointed out that Williams had no idea that the officers had been dealing with Floyd for 15 minutes before he arrived or that an ambulance had been called, and stepped up in urgency, just three minutes before he came upon the scene.
In an at times testy to and fro Nelson quizzed Williams about whether it was possible for a person to lose consciousness in a choke hold then come round and start fighting again.
Ultimately Williams agreed that this was possible but when questioned once more in the prosecution's re-direct he told the jury that when a fighter loses consciousness in an MMA fight the fight is stopped, 'right away' and medical attention given, 'right away'.
And when asked directly if his anxiety to have his voice heard was because he was 'concerned about Mr Floyd losing his life', Williams said: 'Correct.'
And just before he was excused, when asked if an MMA fight ends when a person 'taps out' – communicating with their opponent that 'that's enough' – Williams was equally clear as he agreed and said: 'That's the rules of the fight.'
During Monday's testimony, Williams had said he witnessed Chauvin 'shimmying', or adjusting his position on Floyd's neck in a recognized martial art maneuver designed to double-down on and tighten a choke hold.
He told how he watched Chauvin squeeze the life out of Floyd and said that when he called him out for using a blood choke the former officer looked him straight in the eye and did not stop.
'The officer on top was shimmying to actually get the final choke in while he was on top, the kill choke,' Williams told Frank during direct examination on Monday.
Williams said that he had watched Floyd 'fade away like a fish in a bag'.
He said: 'You see his eyes slowly pale out and he knew...he vocalized it, his eyes rolled to the back of his head, you saw the blood coming out of his nose, he said his stomach hurt and from then on he was lifeless. He didn't speak.'
Based on his experience Williams said that what he witnessed was a 'kill choke', cutting off Floyd's circulation at his neck. He said that when he had called Chauvin out for using the technique the former officer and he, 'looked at each other right in the eyes and he acknowledged it.'
Williams strayed into contentious territory when he gave the opinion that Chauvin was killing Floyd by 'shimmying' or adjusting his position on the dying man's neck.
Judge Cahill checked Williams for coming to a conclusion by saying that he was 'killing' Floyd by employing the well-known technique that saw him double down and tighten his choke hold.
Frank played portions of the video of Chauvin as he pressed his knee into Floyd's neck and Williams pointed out each time he saw the former officer's foot move and, he said, the pressure on Floyd increased.
Recalling the scene, Williams had harsh words for officer Thao, who he described as 'the dictator'.
He said: 'He dictated what went on on the curb, he controlled the crowd, he controlled me. He was the guy who let it go on while it went on.'
Chauvin is seen above in court on Monday for the start of opening arguments. Williams strayed into contentious territory when he gave the opinion that Chauvin was killing Floyd by 'shimmying' or adjusting his position on the dying man's neck At the start of Tuesday's proceedings Judge Peter Cahill ruled that cameras will not be permitted to film four witnesses, though they will be heard, as they give their testimony at Chauvin's trial - the first in Minnesota history to be livestreamed around the world.
The witnesses were all minors at the time of Floyd's death though two have since turned 18.
The judge's decision came at the start of day two of the highly anticipated trial and was in response to a state motion requesting him to limit both the audio and visual broadcast of all four.
Judge Cahill had already ruled on this issue on November 4 and today while he acknowledged the sensitivities and clarified how witnesses were to be named he denied the state's request to extend the media embargo to audio of their testimony.
Arguing for the Media Coalition Leita Walker pointed out that one of the witness whose anonymity the state wished to preserve was the bystander who filmed the viral video central to the case.
'The media coalition is sympathetic to the personal cost but while what she saw was traumatic she's an adult now,' she said.
She went onto point out that the witness had given interviews, provided her picture to the press and received an award from Spike Lee.
She described any attempt to anonymize her at this stage by not broadcasting audio as 'frankly farsical'.
One of the two witnesses who remains a minor is a little girl who was wearing a green shirt with the word 'Love' written across it when she walked to Cup Foods to buy snacks and candy on May 25, 2020, and became an unwitting witness to George Floyd's death.
Judge Cahill noted that the court was 'asking a lot' from these young witnesses as he ruled that they could be heard but not seen.
Their names will be spelled out to the court without audio or visual recording and they will be referred to only by their first names for the duration of proceedings.
As testimony began on Tuesday Chauvin looked on, smartly dressed in dark blue suit, grey shirt and tie.
He copious notes on a yellow legal pad, as he did on Monday and throughout the jury selection process.
The 45-year-old is charged on three counts in connection with Floyd's death: second-degree murder, third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter.
If convicted on the most serious count, Chauvin faces a possible 40 years in prison.
If found guilty of manslaughter he faces a maximum penalty of ten years though he could be free within five.
Much hangs on the outcome of this trial – not least the likely fates of Thomas Lane, 38; J Alexander Keung, 27; and Tou Thao, 35; the three officers currently awaiting trial for aiding and abetting in Floyd's death.
Law enforcement officers are seen outside the Hennepin County Courthouse on Tuesday morning
A portrait of Floyd hangs on a security fence outside the heavily-fortified courthouse on Tuesday
High school English teacher Kaia Hirt (center) chained herself to the fence outside the court in protest of police killings
- Day One -
Prosecution shows horrifying bystander video of Chauvin kneeling on Floyd's neck and says the cop 'betrayed the badge'
Trial attorney Jerry Blackwell kicked off Monday's proceedings with an opening statement where he showed jurors the bystander video of Floyd's fatal arrest that sent shockwaves around the country and around the world last spring.
'You can believe your eyes. That it's homicide, it's murder,' Blackwell told the jury after the video ended.
Blackwell emphasized that Chauvin 'did not get up, did not let up' for nine minutes and 29 seconds, even after Floyd stopped breathing and despite the fevered pleas from bystanders for him to release Floyd.
Blackwell said Chauvin 'betrayed the badge' he wore as a police officer, which he said symbolizes 'the very motto of the Minneapolis Police Department: "To protect with courage and to serve with compassion."'
Trial attorney Jerry Blackwell (pictured) kicked off Monday's proceedings with an opening statement where he showed jurors the bystander video of Floyd's fatal arrest
Blackwell told jurors that 'sanctity of life and protection of the public' – the very essence of policing – were at the heart of the case.
These, he said, were the noble ideals that Chauvin disregarded as he squeezed the life out of Floyd for a total of 9 mins and 29 seconds: the most important numbers, he said, that they will hear in this case.
'What you will learn is that the use of force has to be evaluated minute by minute. What may be reasonable in the first minute may not be reasonable in the fourth or in the ninth minute 29 seconds,' Blackwell said.
'What Mr Chauvin used was lethal force. The evidence is going to show you there was no cause in the first place to use that against a man who was defenseless, who was handcuffed, who was not resisting.'
Chauvin listened as Blackwell calmly told the jury that the prosecution would prove beyond a reasonable doubt that, though he sat there today with the presumption of innocence, 'Mr Chauvin was anything other than innocent.'
Blackwell explained that the state will bring their case through a series of civilian and expert witnesses including, he said, Minneapolis Chief of Police Medario Arradondo, who, he promised them, 'will not mince his words. He will be very clear, very decisive that his was excessive force'.
They will hear from medical experts, experts in use of force and many bystanders including a trained first responder who tried to intervene only for Chauvin to pull his mace from his belt and threaten her until she stepped back.
And they will hear from a little girl - a minor seen wearing a green shirt bearing the word 'Love' in video shown to the court this morning - who had simply gone to Cup Foods with her cousin to get snacks and candy.
The court sat in silence as Blackwell played the bystander video. The distressing footage so inextricably bound to this case was being seen for the first time by at least one of the jurors.
As the trial progresses, through the gut-wrenching videos that the jury will watch and re-watch, Blackwell said: 'You'll be able to see every part of what Mr Floyd went through; from crying out, to his efforts to move his shoulder to try to breathe, you will hear his voice getting heavier, his respiration more shallow.
'When he's unconscious [you will see] the uncontrollable shaking – the anoxic seizures from oxygen deficiency, the agonal breathing, the gasps, and you will hear when there's a lack of a pulse.'
There was no doubt, Blackwell told the jury, 'Someone pressing down on him for 9 minutes and 29 seconds is enough to take a life.'
As he told the jury all of the things that this death was not about – a heart attack, overdose or high blood pressure – Blackwell sought to tighten the jurors' focus on those 9mins and 29 seconds.
Blackwell presented the timeline above of the events when Chauvin knelt on Floyd's neckDefense insists Chauvin acted appropriately and claims Floyd died of heart disease, 'adrenaline' and drug use
When it was the defense attorney Nelson's turn to deliver his opening statement he sought to do the exact opposite, telling the jury: 'This case is clearly about more than 9 minutes and 29 seconds.'
To Nelson this was about reason, doubt and common sense. This was about the 'totality' of everything that went before and all that came after those minutes and those seconds.
In his opening statement Chauvin's attorney Eric Nelson (pictured) argued that Floyd's death was caused by his underlying heart disease, drug use and 'adrenaline'
He stretched out the scope of the investigation by telling the jury that over 50 law enforcement agents had investigated a case, interviewing more than 50 members of the Minneapolis Police Department and nearly 200 civilian witnesses. There are, he told them, more than 50,000 stamped pieces of evidence and documentation.
'Reason' he told them, 'dictates how the evidence must be looked at. Common sense is exactly that – common sense tells us that there are always two sides to a story, common sense tell us we have to examine the totality of the evidence.
'That's what this case is ultimately about, the evidence. It is nothing more than that. There is no political or social cause in this court room. But the evidence is far greater than 9 minutes and 29 seconds.'
Nelson talked the jury through the events of May 25, 2020 minute by minute breaking it down into four key locations: the Mercedes Benz in which Floyd and his companions that day traveled, the Cup Foods store, the squad car into which officers tried to wrangle Floyd and Hennepin County Medical Center where attempts to revive Floyd ultimately failed.
He breadcrumbed a path that, he said, could only lead to once conclusion – that Floyd died, not because of Chauvin's actions but due to a perfect storm partially of his own making: his pre-existing heart condition and hypertension, ingestion of opioids and the adrenaline that flooded his system as he struggled with the officers that day.
Nelson asserted that Floyd ingested 'what are thought to be two Percocet pills' before his fatal encounter with police.
He said the jury will hear from two of Floyd's friends who claimed they had trouble waking him up after he took drugs on the day he died.
'Mr Floyd's friends will explain that Mr Floyd fell asleep in the car and that they couldn't wake him up to get going,' Nelson said. 'They thought police might be coming. They kept trying to wake him up.'
Nelson also argued that at no point did Chauvin betray his police training.
'You will learn that Derek Chauvin did exactly what he had been trained to do over the course of his 19-year career. The use of force is not attractive, but it is a necessary component of policing,' Nelson said.
He concluded: 'When you hear the law and apply reason there will only be one just result. That will be to find Mr Chauvin not guilty.'
Derek Chauvin (right) is seen with his attorney as his trial over the death of George Floyd began on Monday morning
911 dispatcher who watched live video of Floyd's struggle with police reveals how she called the cops' supervisor because she felt 'something wasn't right'
The prosecution's first witness was Jenna Scurry, a 911 dispatcher who watched live video of police kneeling on Floyd testified that she called the officers' supervisor with concerns about their use of force.
It was Scurry who sent officers to the Cup Foods at 38th and Chicago Avenue on May 25, 2020, after receiving a call about a man using a counterfeit bill.
Blackwell mentioned Scurry in his opening statement and said that upon seeing live video of Floyd's arrest: 'She did something that she had never done in her career. She called the police on the police.'
Jena Scurry, a 911 dispatcher who watched live video of police kneeling on George Floyd, testified on the first day of Derek Chauvin's trial about how she called the officers' supervisor because she felt 'something wasn't right'
Questioned by Frank, Scurry told how she had seen surveillance footage of the incident from one of the city's pole mounted cameras and been struck by a 'gut instinct' that 'something wasn't right'.
She explained how what had seemed a routine call escalated into something that caused her concern as the jurors were shown the footage that she herself had caught by chance on the screen in her dispatch unit that day.
The video, which had not previously been released publicly, showed Chauvin and fellow officers Lane and Keung perched atop Floyd next to a squad car while officer Thao looked on.
Scurry noted that she wasn't watching the stream the entire time because she was fielding other calls. But she said that as she glanced away and back again, she was struck that the officers hadn't moved and asked a colleague if the screen had frozen.
'I first asked if the screens had frozen because it hadn't changed. I thought something might be wrong,' she said.
'They had come from the back of the squad to the ground and my instincts were telling me that something was not right.
'It was an extended period of time. I can't tell you the exact period and they hadn't told me if they needed any more resources but I became concerned that something might be wrong.'
She said that she hadn't wanted to be a 'snitch' but she recognized what appeared to be use of force and stated: 'I took that instinct and I called the sergeant.'
Frank played audio from the call, in which Scurry said: 'I don't know if they had to use force or not. They got something out of the back of the squad and all of them sat on this man. So I don't know if they needed to or not but they haven't said anything to me yet.'
'You can call me a snitch if you want to,' she added.
She said she made the call to 'voice my concerns' and noted that she had never made one like it to a police sergeant before.
During her testimony prosecutors aired new video showing the view Scurry had from the dispatch center. It showed Chauvin and fellow officers Thomas Lane and J Alexander Keung on top of Floyd while officer Tou Thao looked on Cross examining Scurry, Nelson was at pains to underscore gaps in what she saw and the facts that she had no police training, little knowledge of what the calls to which she sent officers actually looked like and pointed out that her attention was not trained on the screen at all times.
He said: 'You testified that it's very rare that you actually see an incident that you dispatch on these city cameras.'
Scurry agreed and admitted that in the seven years that she had been a dispatcher she had seen 'three maybe four calls' on the television screens in her unit.
He reminded the dispatcher that when she had been questioned by a BCA agent in June 2020 she had told him that she had hear 'yelling and shouting' that had prompted her to call for back up though the officers on the scene had not requested any.
But he observed that, for the most part, she could not hear what was being said by or to any of the officers and he suggested that her sense of the duration of the incident may have been affected by the real-time buffering of the milestone camera on which the events unfolded.
Attempting to cast further doubt on Scurry's true understanding and perception of what she had seen, Nelson explained, 'You watched it in real time subject to a few seconds of delay for the time it took the signal to get through.'
Shown the same footage played through Nelson's computer Scurry agreed that the pace of the incident was different. She also acknowledged the extent to which the squad car rocked back and forth while the officers and Floyd struggled and she had not been fully privy nor paying full attention to what was going on. Jurors were shown yet more previously unseen video footage as the afternoon progressed this time in the form of a series of cell phone recordings made by Alisha Oyler, a cashier at the Speedway gas station opposite Cup Foods who was the state's second witness.
In faltering testimony Oyler told prosecutor Steven Schleicher that she had been working the register at the front of the store May 25, 2020.
'Trying not to cuss' and frequently failing to recall events she explained that she had first noticed police 'messing with someone' outside the Dragon Wok restaurant opposite Cup Foods.
She said she had watched officers handcuff Floyd and take him across to the now infamous site of squad car 320 in front of the store's entrance and continued to record events on her cell phone as she stepped out to have a cigarette.
She said she had done so because the police were 'always messing with people and it's not right'.
As Oyler's testimony continued jurors were shown extended footage from both the city's milestone camera that overlooked Cup Foods and Oyler's cell phone. The images were spliced together, side by side.
In them Chauvin's back is clearly visible showing that he did not move from where he knelt on Floyd's neck even as first responders prepared the stretcher onto which they ultimately loaded the dead man's limp body.
The prosecution's second witness was Alisha Oyler, a 23-year-old cashier at the Speedway gas station opposite Cup Foods
Oyler's video showed the cops kneeling on Floyd from an unforeseen angle. She said she started filming because the police were 'always messing with people and it's not right'
Hundreds of people gathered outside of the Hennepin County Courthouse on Monday
Demonstrators held up portraits of George Floyd and signs calling for 'justice for George' on Monday
Black Lives Matter demonstrators gathered en masse outside the courthouse during the first day of opening arguments
Reporters gathered to document the protest taking place outside the courthouse in Minneapolis on Monday
Protesters carry a makeshift coffin to symbolically remember those who 'weren't filmed' during their arrests
A protester raises his fist during a demonstration outside the courthouse in Minneapolis on Monday
A fence is seen erected around the Hennepin County Government Center before opening statements on Monday
Photographs taken by DailyMail.com show barbed wire and metal barricades around the Hennepin County Courthouse
Members of the community participate in a prayer walk near George Floyd Square on Monday morning
Rachel Austin walks with her son Mateo and husband Butchy Austin during a prayer walk by George Floyd Square on Monday
The image above shows a makeshift memorial for Floyd at the spot of his fatal arrest last May
BREAKDOWN OF SEATED JURORS IN THE DEREK CHAUVIN TRIAL
Derek Chauvin (pictured in a Minneapolis courtroom on March 15) has been charged with second- and third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter in the May 2020 death of George Floyd
As of Monday, all 15 jurors who will hear the trial of former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin have been impaneled.
Twelve jurors will deliberate and three will serve as alternates.
Alternate jurors will step in if a juror can't continue in the trial for reasons such as illness, a family emergency, or further exposure to information on Floyd's death that would taint their decision.
In the middle of jury selection, Hennepin County District Court Judge Peter Cahill dismissed two jurors - a white man and a Hispanic man - after they admitted their views were altered by the announced $27million settlement between the family of George Floyd and the City of Minneapolis.
The seated jurors include six men and nine women.
The 15 jurors seated through Monday are split by race, with nine white jurors, four black and two multiracial, according to the court.
Juror No. 1: A white man in his 20s or 30s who works as a chemist. He told the court that he has an 'analytical' mind.
He claims not to have seen the infamous nine-minute clip during which George Floyd died under the ex-Minneapolis police officer’s knee.
The juror described himself as a supporter of the Black Lives Matter movement, though he criticized it as 'too extreme' and said: 'All lives should matter.'
Juror No. 2: A woman of color in her 20s or 30s who is also related to a police officer.
The young woman from northern Minnesota described herself as ‘super excited’ to be called to be part of the jury pool in such a high profile case.
She said that she had seen the video of Floyd’s death only once and revealed that she has an uncle who is a police officer in the state, but was clear that it would not affect her ability to be fair and impartial in this case.
Juror No. 3: A white man in his 30s who works as an auditor and is friends with a Minneapolis police officer in the K9 unit.
The juror described himself as honest and straightforward.
He said that while he has seen Facebook video of Chauvin kneeling on Floyd's neck at least twice, he has not formed an opinion about the former officer's guilt.
The juror did acknowledge having a 'somewhat negative' view of Chauvin in light of the clip.
On his juror questionnaire, he wrote that Floyd had done 'hard drugs' and had a 'checkered past' - though he said he could set aside his opinions and be impartial.
Juror No. 4: The fifth juror seated is a married IT manager in his thirties who emigrated from West Africa to the United States 14 years ago.
Like other jurors, he said that he supported the ideals of the Black Lives Matters movement but went further than his peers saying, ‘All lives matter, but black lives matter more because they are marginalized.’
He also voiced support for Blue Lives Matter and when questioned by the prosecution said he was strongly opposed to defunding the police, stating that the presence of police made him feel safer.
'I believe our cops need to be safe and feel safe in order to protect our community,' he said.
He told the court that he believed in the country’s justice system and wanted to serve on the jury because it was his civic duty.
'I also believe that to make the justice system work I think we need people that are part of the community to sit as a juror,' he said.
He said that he was not on social media but had seen the video of Floyd’s death and formed a slightly negative view of Chauvin.
All prospective jurors are asked about their views on the video showing Chauvin kneeling on Floyd's neck during his fatal arrest in Minneapolis on May 25, 2020
He added that he was conscious that he did not know what had happened before or after the short clips he had seen.
Chauvin’s attorney pressed the potential juror on one answer that he had written in response to the jurors' questionnaire. He stated that, while discussing Floyd’s death with his wife, he had said, ‘It could have been me.’
Asked what he meant by that the juror explained that he used to live in the area where Floyd died and said, 'It could have been me or anyone else. It could have been anybody. It could have been you, that’s what I mean.'
Juror No. 5: The single mother-of two, white and in her early 50s, described herself as being in the 'C-class' of executives and works in healthcare advocacy.
She admitted to knowing Attorney General Keith Ellison and having had work dealings with his office, but neither defense nor prosecutors viewed this as any impairment to her service.
In response to a jury pool questionnaire, she said she had a 'somewhat negative' view of Chauvin, and that she thought he held his knee to Floyd's neck for too long.
She said she felt empathy for both Floyd and the officers, adding that 'at the end of the day I'm sure that the intention was not there for this to happen.'
Juror No. 6: A black man in his 30s, works in banking, and is youth sports coach.
He said that he was keen to be a juror at a trial which he viewed as ‘historic moment.’
Answering the prospective jurors’ lengthy questionnaire he said that he did ‘not believe the defendant set out to murder anyone,’ but that, having viewed the video of Floyd’s death he was left at a loss as to what Chauvin was thinking.
He professed himself strongly in favor of Black Lives Matters – as a statement not a movement or organization.
But his view of Blue Lives Matters was 'somewhat negative.'
He said, 'I think that police lives matter but I feel like the concept of Blue Lives Matter only became a thing to combat Black Lives Matter, where it shouldn’t be a competition.'
Juror No. 7: A white single mother in her 50s who works as executive assistant for a health clinic near Minneapolis.
She wrote in her questionnaire that she could not watch the entire video of Chauvin kneeling on Floyd's neck 'because it was too disturbing to me.'
Nonetheless, she said: 'I'm not in a position to change the law. I'm in a position to uphold the law.'
She added: '[Chauvin] is innocent until we can prove otherwise.'
Juror No. 8: A black father of one son expressed neutrality on almost all key points though he strongly disagreed with defunding the police.
The man, who is in his early 40s, said that he had no opinion of Chauvin and only a 'somewhat favorable' view of Floyd based on the fact that there had been so many demonstrations in support of him.
Asked about Black Lives Matter versus Blue Lives Matter he said that he believed, 'Every life matters but black people their lives are not valued.'
Chauvin's attorneys will argue that Floyd's death was caused by drugs in his system
He added, 'Just because that’s what they think doesn’t mean that’s what it is but we have to respect it.'
Juror No. 9: A mixed-race mother of one who convinced all parties that she could be fair and impartial.
She said that she did not believe the justice system was perfect 'because humans are involved so there’s always room for improvement where humans are involved.'
And she admitted to having formed a slightly negative view of Chauvin, though had a strong faith in the police in general.
She said she felt 'neutral' about Floyd but what scant opinions she had formed she said she could set them aside and start from the 'blank slate' of presumed innocence.
Juror No. 10: A white woman in her 50s who works as a registered nurse and lives alone in the Minneapolis suburb of Edina.
She said that, though she questioned why Chauvin had kept his knee on Floyd’s neck for so long, she had not formed an opinion regarding cause of death or where the responsibility for it lay.
She was questioned over whether her medical experience, and specifically her familiarity with resuscitating patients, would impact her ability to be an impartial judge of any measures taken to save Floyd.
When asked if she could avoid using her medical expertise to act as an expert witness she gave a confident ‘yes’.
The woman said she would like to know more about what training Chauvin had in ‘de-escalation and restraint’ and wanted to know if Floyd was armed, stating that would make a difference to the decisions she might expect an officer to make.
Juror No. 11: A black grandmother-of-two thought to be in her 60s who grew up in the south Minneapolis neighborhood where Floyd died.
The woman retired from her job in child psychology about five years ago and now volunteers with youth to 'help them find their way.'
She said she had seen the video of Floyd's death only once and had turned it off after four or five minutes because 'it just wasn't something I needed to see.'
She has a relative in the Minneapolis Police Department and said she was 'proud' of them but insisted she had never to them about Floyd's death or their job in law enforcement.
The woman said she was aware of the settlement between the city and Floyd's family but said it did not impact her view of the case 'at all.'
The woman said she was 'neutral' about Chauvin and also had 'no opinion of [Floyd] one way or another.'
She wrote in her juror questionnaire that she agreed with Black Lives Matter because 'I am black and my life matters' and responded that she 'somewhat agrees' that black and white people are often treated differently.
Juror No. 12: The third juror selected Thursday - and number 12 out of 14 confirmed - is a white female thought to be in her 30s who works in commercial insurance.
The woman, who has a bachelor's degree in communications, said she had seen the video of Floyd's death four to five times and had spoken to friends about it.
She also said she had heard about the settlement but said it did not affect her opinion or ability to sit on the jury.
The woman had written in her juror questionnaire that she had 'somewhat negative' views on both Floyd and Chauvin.
'The media painted Mr Chauvin as an aggressive cop with tax problems,' she wrote.
'George Floyd's record wasn't clean but he abused drugs at some point.'
The woman said she would be 'terrified' if the police department was defunded and dismantled and has a strong respect for police officers but she also agreed that 'it is obvious change needs to happen'.
She said she supported Black Lives Matter but does not get involved in protests.
But she said she was able to set aside everything she already knows about the case and on both Chauvin and Floyd and make a decision based only on the evidence presented in court.
When asked by the prosecution if her opinion of Floyd could differ if she was told he struggled with addiction to illegal drugs, she replied: 'Quite honestly maybe.'
'It doesn't make them a bad person... but it would make me more cautious,' she said.
Juror No. 13: The white female juror, who is believed to be either in her 40s or 50s, described herself as a dog-lover who enjoyed walks in nature and an advocate for homelessness and affordable housing said that her reaction, on opening the prospective juror packet for the case was, 'Go big or go home.'
She said that she had a slightly negative view of Chauvin who she viewed as having a 'leadership' role in the incident that led to Floyd’s death but she didn’t assign more responsibility to him for that.
She went onto say that she believed police treat black and white people equally and disagreed that officers are more likely to use force when dealing with a black suspect.
She did, however, express the belief that the criminal justice system is bias against black and racial minorities – a view she said she based on economic disparities.
Juror No. 14: The juror, a white woman in her 20s who works as a social worker, said that she didn't think her opinion would be affected by the $27million settlement between Minneapolis and Floyd's family.
She said she was neutral on both Black Lives Matter and Blue Lives Matter and does not support 'defunding the police' or doing away with the Minneapolis Police Department.
'I believe black lives matter as much as Latina, police etc,' the woman said.
Juror No. 15: The final juror, a white man in his 20s who works an accountant, was on chosen Tuesday, wrapping up a process that took more than two weeks.
The final juror chosen is a married accountant who said he initially formed a somewhat negative opinion of Chauvin, saying it seemed like the length of his restraint on Floyd was longer than necessary.
But he said he would be able to put that aside and weigh the case based on the evidence.
He said Floyd’s death sparked discussions about racism at work, and he decided to educate himself by reading a book about the subject.
He said he has a healthy respect for police and views Black Lives Matter somewhat favorably.
However, he said some of the frustrations boiled over and may have been a factor in violent unrest in Minneapolis.
He also said he understands that professional athletes who kneel during the national anthem are trying to start a dialogue on race, but 'I would prefer if someone would express their beliefs in a different manner.'
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